110: Unlock the Power of Breath: Transform Your Child's Oral Health and Development with Dr. Julia

Unlock the secrets of children's oral health with our special guest, Dr. Julia Sadove-Lopez, a trailblazer in airway-focused biological dentistry. Discover how the simple act of breathing and maintaining proper oral posture can shape your child's face and future well-being. Dr. Julia takes us through her personal evolution from a traditional dental practice to a holistic approach, underscoring the critical importance of catching early signs of breathing issues. Her mission with Oris Wellness is to enlighten parents on these often-neglected aspects that can not only transform their child's health but also boost their own success as entrepreneurs.

We venture into the fascinating connections between oral health and overall wellness, bringing to light the surprising impact of your child's mouth on their heart and sleep.  Dr. Julia shares her insights on how informed orthodontic decisions and proper tongue positioning can promote both physical and energetic health.

Explore the world of teeth grinding and breathing challenges from a functional medicine perspective. We unravel causes ranging from stress to parasites and discuss the power of hypnosis and myofunctional therapy as effective solutions. Learn tips to encourage healthier breathing patterns, and understand how modern habits, such as sippy cup use and blue light exposure, can mold your child's facial structure. For those ready to dive deeper, Oris Wellness offers a complimentary discovery call to explore these transformative approaches further.

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Chapters

• 2:17 The Importance of Children's Oral Health
• 6:59 Oral Health and Overall Wellness
• 17:56 Addressing Teeth Grinding and Breathing Issues
• 30:07 Optimizing Children's Growth and Development

Transcript

Speaker 1: 2:17

Are you a mompreneur who may be on the wrong path by overlooking the red flags of poor breathing in your child? On this week's episode of Breaking Boundaries for Entrepreneurs, we sit down with Dr Julia Sadov-Lopez, an airway-focused biological dentist, who reveals how our children's oral health can influence their breathing, their posture and even their facial development. Tune in as Dr Julia shares actionable insights into why crooked teeth are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to growth and development. You won't want to miss this eye-opening conversation. Hello, I'm Jeffrey Mort. If you're like most entrepreneurs, you're busy taking care of business. Yet who's taking care of you? If you're ready to take your energy and performance to the next level in your life and your business, then this podcast is for you, Because today you're going to start breaking boundaries of your mind, body and business with integrative health, and when you do that, your possibilities are limitless. I'm grateful you're here. Yes, always grateful. Welcome back to another episode of Breaking Boundaries for Entrepreneurs. When we, as entrepreneurs, overlook the root causes of our children's health issues, it can lead to a ripple effect that not only impacts their well-being, but also causes us to lose traction in our business as we struggle to balance the demands of both.

Speaker 1: 3:50

Today, we have the pleasure of speaking with Dr Julia Sadov-Lopez, a biological dentist accredited by the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology. Dr Julia, she's a trailblazer in airway-focused dentistry, specializing in consulting with parents to identify early solutions for their children's breathing and facial development challenges. Her passion for preventative care has led her to launch her consulting business, Oris Wellness, where she helps parents understand the critical role that breathing, muscle function and oral posture play in the growth and health of their children. In this episode, we'll dive deep into why breathing is an overlooked factor in oral health. Is an overlooked factor in oral health the importance of muscle function around the mouth, and how parents can actually influence their child's facial development. Without further ado, here's my conversation with Dr Julia. Welcome, Dr Julia, to the Breaking Boundaries for Entrepreneurs podcast. I'm so grateful for you taking the time out of your day to share your knowledge and your wisdom. Thanks for being here today.

Speaker 2: 5:07

Absolutely, Jeffrey. It's a pleasure to be here with you.

Speaker 1: 5:09

Excellent. So in the intro I talked a little bit about what you do and your mission, and so you know interesting. A question that I have is, as a dentist, why are you focusing on breathing?

Speaker 2: 5:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:23

So, entering through various phases of my dental career, I began through more of a lens of what we call biological dentistry, where I was introduced to the idea of thinking about the mouth not as a separate entity but rather as a part of the whole and looking at things more holistically, and that really led me to understanding better how important it is to collaborate with other medical professions outside of dentistry.

Speaker 2: 5:51

So that kind of opened up my mind to thinking about the profession differently. And then from there I was exposed to some really incredible work being done in Chicago, where I was living, and there's a pediatric office there that really, instead of focusing on filling cavities, they have dedicated the majority of their practice to actually influencing better facial growth in children. And why is that? Why is that coming up? Well, breathing oxygen is our most essential nutrient, right, and so often some of the red flags for breathing that come up, we have to see that dentists are some of the first ones to identify some of these problems, and so for me it's really important, now that I know what I know, to spread education and spread awareness on this topic, because dentists are often sort of the gatekeepers for this topic.

Speaker 1: 6:59

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more, and I know I learned in my high performance health certification that oral health plays a such, such a huge role in cardiovascular health in particular, and not, you know, not just for children, but for adults as well. So are most dentists even looking at this?

Speaker 2: 7:18

It's not the great majority for sure, but it is a growing trend because there are a lot of movements to see health in a more dynamic way and certain topics that tend to come up more. You're hearing more attention being driven to topics like tongue ties or lip ties, things like this that go hand in hand with how we're breathing, and so it is gaining momentum. Unfortunately, if you talk to a dentist I used to be that dentist, I didn't know that this was all tied together and so if you talk to a dentist who hasn't sort of crossed that that barrier of of um knowledge yet, then you're not going to be able to engage in the conversation you want to. You have to actually look for someone who's advertising themselves as an airway focused dentist or an airway dentist to have these conversations.

Speaker 1: 8:15

Excellent and you know, it kind of takes me back to my lead domino into the wellness industry back in 2014 was Tai Chi and Qigong, and I often tell people the first three things I learned when I started taking Tai Chi was how to stand, how to walk and how to breathe. I was amazed at the impact that our breath has and the cycles of our breath and our intention with our breath has to do with our overall health. So what are some of the signs of poor breathing?

Speaker 2: 8:49

Yeah, I just want to piggyback on what you just said with the Tai Chi real quick, because I do think it's really great. My husband practices Tai Chi too and when he was learning he was learning about that tongue position or with your tongue being up to the roof of your mouth and having awareness on how that's going to drive the Tai Chi practice. So I think that's a great first step is always getting awareness there. But as far as some of the things that are that are red flags and that are overlooked, the first and foremost sort of category that is important to me is sleep. Foremost sort of category that is important to me is sleep.

Speaker 2: 9:21

So problems with sleep, restless sleep, snoring, bedwetting, different things like that because that's such a crucial foundation for our health and wellness is how we're sleeping and, as you were mentioning, to a lot of the cardiovascular issues that you see in adults and how that ties in often like sleep apnea on kind of the more extreme end of sleep issues, definitely ties into all of that in the adult population too.

Speaker 2: 9:52

But it's not just sleep well kind of sleep goes hand in hand with various other things. Tooth grinding is a sign that we're not breathing well at night, having a bloody nose, doing any sort of kind of a lot of academic things that come up for kids in terms of school performance, attention. Those types of things are tying into kind of both how well someone's breathing at night and how well they're sleeping, and just the nervous system component to breathing, as you mentioned too. All of that is so tied together that once we start paying attention to the fact that dentistry and really clues us into how we're breathing, for me again, sleep is one of the biggest areas, but mental health ties into that. A lot of depression and anxiety symptoms, asthma, allergies, being sick often could be a sign of poor breathing habits. There's really there's just so much that really all ties together that can be brushed aside easily, unfortunately, if you're not asking the right questions to the right person.

Speaker 1: 11:06

Yeah, absolutely I agree. And you know, being the parent of three teenagers, my third, my youngest, is actually going through orthodontist procedures, so he's the last in line. The first two went through those and there was so much that I didn't know about. You know, some of those practices and questions that I wish I had asked up front when my oldest son and then my daughter, who's the middle child, went through getting braces and orthodontists. But as my younger child is going through and I've, you know, educated and learned a lot about biological dentistry, you know I have to be a little bit reserved at the dentist's office not to get in a let's just call it a healthy debate with either the dentist or the orthodontist, because we have different views, because they're more conventional, practice-based.

Speaker 1: 11:56

But I know the things that I want my child to do and experience and some things that are just a hard no for me when it comes to the dentist, and they're you know, they're understanding for things like that when it comes to using fluoride and other things at their practice.

Speaker 2: 12:14

Yeah, you have to. I always encourage parents to you know, have. It's good that you're having the open communication on that because you have to be able to still work together. You know it's not always possible to find a dental provider who offers all things you, they, not everyone can be biologic and airway focused and all of the things in one. So you know it's it is about still building a trusting relationship. So I'm glad you're finding ways to kind of work through the matters that are most important to you and making sure that treatment still feels aligned for your kids.

Speaker 1: 12:57

Yeah, absolutely tai chi. And, and you know how, having the tongue on the roof of the mouth, not only on the roof of the roof of the mouth, but um, put the the tip of the tongue up against the back of the upper teeth. What I learned in tai chi practice is that actually completes an energy circuit, an internal energy circuit for the microcosm in in the body. And I was absolutely amazed at the difference that made in the circulation of energy and energy cultivation in my Tai Chi practice. And it kind of tied into you know my background years ago as a master electrician as well like getting into the circuitry of homes and buildings and things like that.

Speaker 1: 13:37

The body actually has circuitry. If you think of the central nervous system, that is the circuitry of the body. We are actually wired, even though these are, you know, biological circuits. We actually have wiring in the body and our central nervous system. The nerves tie into every aspect of our body, every organ, every tooth. And you know, I know it might be a little off topic, but can you, can you touch upon how the nervous system interacts when, uh, you know this might not well, I guess it ties into children's health as well, because children, they lose their baby teeth, they get adult teeth and then maybe they have an issue with an adult teeth and they have that tooth extract extracted later on down the road like as a biological dentist. Can you talk a little bit about the nerves in the teeth and how that might affect our overall peripheral nervous system?

Speaker 2: 14:30

For sure. Yeah, so I definitely see that in kind of two ways. One was more what you're talking about and I love the the electrician analogy that you're able to draw there from real world experience. But, yeah, we do have the body meridians and each one's tied to a different. Each tooth is tied to different organs in our body and so, from more of what I used to focus on when I was treating adults, we are still looking at are there any hidden sources of inflammation running along those body meridians and how is that energetically affecting the body? And any sort of stress on the body is obviously influencing directly the nervous system health, keeping us in that sympathetic state rather than that parasympathetic state that we want to be in. Well, we want to be able to switch back and forth appropriately right, we don't want to be stuck in one versus another, and so that's definitely um, it's not off topic, it's definitely a very relevant part of of dentistry.

Speaker 2: 15:34

Um, the other way that I see the nervous system component tying in really um is our posture, and how our posture is is so just linked to what how our teeth are positioned.

Speaker 2: 15:52

So if we're growing in a way where our teeth are positioned in kind of a little off off side or out of balance or the way that the teeth are come together. They're supposed to be designed to be really in a supportive bite and if we're not finding our teeth in a supportive bite, then the body starts to make other compensations and that can be at the levels of the eyes, that could be at the levels of the hips. There are links between changes to the bite. There were some rat studies done where they changed, put little acrylic pads on the teeth of the rats and scoliosis actually developed in some of those rats. So we definitely see body posture and then once we get into body posture, it's like that's that's where the chiropractors and the osteopaths are living. Is is in this space of of balancing out the nerve conduction that's going on in the body. So yeah, it's definitely all related.

Speaker 1: 16:47

It's amazing how you know conventional practices, whether it's dentistry or medicine, looks at every component as an individual component of the body, where naturopathic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, ayurveda, all looks at things as interconnectedness and as a whole. And, like you talked about the, you know the nervous system and the teeth can actually affect posture. And going back to my comment on you know, tai Chi, teaching me how to, how to stand, how to breathe, how to walk, like posture was such a big part of the beginning of my um, my transformation from Tai Chi practice and learning how to stand and um, you know, hold, hold myself in a position. So when you, you know, when you start making those adjustments in the teeth and that affects the nervous system, which can affect the organs, you know. Going back into your comment on meridians and tying into acupuncture, acupressure, it's all connected and it's going to have an effect on different parts of the body. It's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 1: 17:48

So talking about that and the muscles in and around the mouth. You talked a little bit about breathing. You talked a little bit about teeth grinding. In my functional medicine practice, when I have somebody complaining that they are grinding their teeth at night functional medicine practice, when I have somebody complaining that they are grinding their teeth at night, there's a few things that we can do.

Speaker 1: 18:06

Typically, teeth grinding could be synonymous with parasites, so we'd maybe want to do an assessment or a parasite test to see if they have parasites and then, of course, do a protocol. And it's you know, it's interesting fact that one out of three people have parasites and they don't even know it. So that's very interesting and that can cause teeth grinding. It could also be a psychological issue as well. So that's when I can implement things like hypnosis to be able to help them with. Bruxism is the medical term for teeth grinding, and it's you know that there's efficacy and hypnosis to be able to help people with bruxism. But when it comes to the muscles in and around the mouth, what can you share about that? Like, can we actually train the muscles that are in and around our mouth and face?

Speaker 2: 18:48

Yeah, absolutely so. First of all, just I love you know that you're touching on when you do see cases of bruxism, that you're able to address those two big areas of the psychological component and the parasites, because that's really important. And again, no one provider can cover all of these things. So that's so great that you're helping out in those areas. What I tend to see happening with tooth clenching and grinding, for example, we see again, it's sort of a compensation.

Speaker 2: 19:19

So our body is smart enough to know that we need to be breathing better.

Speaker 2: 19:24

And so in some cases, if our physical airway, kind of the tube that we're breathing through, is getting constricted, whether that be again looking at more extreme cases of something like apnea or even just other positions, any sort of we call that the umbrella term would be like sleep disorder breathing.

Speaker 2: 19:43

So at the end of that spectrum we have more severe apnea where someone actually like stops, that little air tube closes and no oxygen is getting through. But there's a lot of other conditions that come before that extreme place and so some of the things that have been done to help manage that is actual like physical therapy that's going on with the musculature in and around the mouth and there's a whole category of providers called myofunctional therapists that focus on this and they really retrain how we chew, how we swallow, how we speak. It's a lot that we kind of expect that it's done automatically, that we learned that when we were little and we learned to do it correctly, and that's not always the case. And so working with someone who can help us with retraining that because form follows function and if we're not doing the right things with our muscles, we're not going to be getting the right balance that we need for good growth and good harmony.

Speaker 1: 20:54

Yeah, teeth grinding was a. It was an issue for me years ago, before I was even in the integrative health space, and I know that I was grinding my teeth because of stress and emotional issues and I was actually destroying my teeth at night and, of course, you know, the dentist told me that I was having an issue with that. It was keeping. At the time I was married, it was keeping my wife awake at night. It was so bad and you know I didn't like going to have teeth and fillings repaired, I didn't like wearing the mouth guard at night and back then I still I still knew about the power of the subconscious mind and I was able through. I didn't even know I was doing self-hypnosis, but I was able to do brain retraining to train myself to not grind my teeth at night and over a short period of time I was able to overcome that issue and and not have to wear the mouth guard and never really had a problem with it again.

Speaker 2: 21:48

Incredible. That's a big win for sure, because, yeah, it can be something that you're stuck with for life if you don't seek out the right tools for that. So that's really great that you were able to address that for sure.

Speaker 1: 22:01

Thank you. So on the topic of breathing, can you touch a little bit about the difference between nasal breathing and mouth breathing, even during the day, in a waking state, and at night, and you know some methods, such as mouth taping and how that might play into, you know, fixing the issue.

Speaker 2: 22:20

For sure. Yeah, no, that's thank you for bringing that up, because I know I was talking a lot about sleep. But this is not just something that's happening during sleep. This is absolutely something that's happening during waking hours as well, and if you see a child that's developing a mouth breathing tendency, where their mouth is left in an open posture, that's definitely a red flag that we want to start working on right away.

Speaker 2: 22:42

Our nose is so marvelously designed for breathing. I've heard kind of the joke that you should be breathing through your mouth as much as you're eating through your nose, so kind of don't flip the script on that. But it is just becoming more and more common, for a variety of reasons, that mouth breathing is becoming a new normal and it's definitely not normal. We lose a lot of benefits of correct filtration of the air, correct humidification of the air, correct temperature of the air, and that causes a lot of irritation, can be one of the contributing factors for large tonsils and adenoids in children. It can be something that is increasing if we're bringing in dust and pollutants and particulates. That's going to just be again more of a challenge for the nervous system and more of a challenge for respiratory health. So there's definitely a lot that we want to kind of do.

Speaker 2: 23:44

To shift things back to nasal breathing. First and foremost, nasal hygiene. That doesn't have to be something as involved as the neti pot I know the neti pot's a great option for a lot of families, but for a lot of kids that can be a hard adjustment but even just like a nasal spray nightly preferably natural ingredients, no steroids, something like clear or meal meds, saline solution to just kind of flush things out and make sure that the nose can breathe to the best extent possible. Um, and then mouth taping is definitely an option. I personally mouth tape, but I know with little kids we want to make sure.

Speaker 2: 24:21

Um, there are a few sets of rules that we want to make sure that we're following in order to safely implement that. One is that a professional whether it be an airway dentist, a physical therapist who's working with the child somebody needs to make sure that the nasal passages are clear. So possibly even an ear, nose and throat doctor just verifying that the nasal passages can be used and relied on. But then, outside of that, making sure that the child is able to physically remove the tape if they want to, ideally using a tape that goes around the mouth instead of one that goes kind of taking the mouth shut just for the child's comfort and psychological health in that situation to some extent. But there are definitely kind of guidelines for for doing it safely with kids. But I do think it's a remarkable adjunct to being able to try and get the lips closed at night. But it often needs to be a part of a greater kind of approach and a greater system too.

Speaker 1: 25:21

Yeah, absolutely, you know, just jumping right into taping a child's mouth closed can be traumatic.

Speaker 1: 25:26

It can even be traumatic for an adult, for that matter. So, you know, easing into that process, getting some professional guidance, you know, even considering something like hypnotherapy to be able to ease into that process. And you can even use hypnosis to be able to train the brain to breathe through the nose and not through the mouth. And, on your comment, with you know, the neti poti pot. It's a great option. It's an easy way to clean out the nasal passages. But again, it's it's kind of like jumping in with both feet where a nasal spray might be a little bit more of a entry level step and nutrabiotic.

Speaker 1: 26:00

You may or not be familiar with uh, that brand, but they make an amazing nasal spray with their proprietary blend of grapefruit seed extract. That can be phenomenal for clearing pathways. And then, of course, if we're having inflammation issues and that's causing the nasal breathing pathway to be closed, or having susceptibility to dust and seasonal allergies, like that's an immune system response that we can address through functional medicine, not only through testing but through natural health protocols to be able to open up those airways, reduce the histamine response as well. On that debate, where conventional medicine is so barbaric, of removing that first line defense of the immune system for people, where those are like the initial detectors and receptors for activating the immune system, and when they jump right in and remove a child's tonsils or adenoids because they're swollen and inflamed, they're really not addressing the root cause. And it's unfortunate that some parents are just they're not even in the awareness that you know they're trusting in their doctor, that that's the right way.

Speaker 2: 27:12

So again going back to the more naturopathic approach to be able to correct those issues, yeah, absolutely Looking for the root cause is so critical because even in those cases, and by all means in some cases, surgery will be necessary. But anytime that we can look for the root cause and try some natural approaches first, we're definitely there's relapse of mouth, breathing or other factors later that you know the initial root cause was never addressed and the tonsils can actually go through the process of growing again and there's still lingering issues to be addressed even after surgery. So, yeah, absolutely looking for a little diving a little deeper for the root causes always well advised and, as you were mentioning, there's all the different kind of medical approaches that we can look at, but also as simple as diet evaluations and looking at where are we possibly introducing the allergens or the inflammation from that standpoint, of course, as well.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Yeah, absolutely. We'll. Just we'll put a pin in that conversation and catalog it over in the conventional in the conventional harvesting of body parts.

Speaker 1: 28:41

That's completely unnecessary. So that'll be a topic for another another discussion. Um, yeah, so, um, let's talk about the well, we touched on root cause approaches. Um, let's talk about crooked and crowded teeth that usually lead a child to, um, you know, to getting orthodontic procedures and things like that and, um, how it's. It's really not addressing the root cause of the problem and how it's really not addressing the root cause of the problem.

Speaker 2: 29:11

Yeah, so I think that's one of the most misunderstood topics when we look at the field of dentistry in general, and that is that for years, orthodontists have just waited until a child has all of their adult teeth and then slapped some wires on and moved with a tooth-driven approach, looking at getting nice alignment of the teeth. But really the teeth are telling us a greater story. The teeth are telling us that a symptom of a greater problem that growth and development is not on track, that growth and development is not on track and that the balances of the musculature, either from the tongue or the lips or the cheeks, something's out of balance and we have to figure out why the growth is off track, that we're seeing crooked or crowded teeth that aren't fitting in the jaws that they're supposed to be growing and adapting to. So that's definitely so important, and part of that is just the modern world that we live in today. We have so many habits that have changed. We have so many parts of our environment that have changed. So just looking at early habits and changes, with things starting from breastfeeding and bottles and pacifiers and sippy cups and tools, that you know, some of them may serve a purpose and some of them may not. Sippy cups really are invented for the comfort of an adult rather than for the comfort of the child, so we have to look at these things through a more critical eye. The environments that we live in obviously are changing our bodies and our sleep cycles with blue light and electronics and climate control and pollutants.

Speaker 2: 30:54

So we could go off on all the different tangents of what's changed, but as a result, what's happening is teeth don't fit in the jaws today because the jaws aren't growing like they should. We're seeing more narrow faces aren't growing like they should. We're seeing more narrow faces, we're seeing more long faces and this is really a development that's happened more, to use kind of the term that I think rings through. It's like a blink of the eye when you look at human evolution and what's been going on. If you've heard of James Nessar's book, it's a really really one of my favorites um, because I was able to see some of the research in his book breath. Um, the that is really showing how our skulls have been changing and um, so it's just the crooked teeth are not the thing to be fixed. We have to again, dive in a little bit deeper and look for that root cause.

Speaker 1: 31:55

Absolutely, and that goes into addressing the root cause. There are natural ways to be able to do that before we implement those physical and mechanical aspects of orthodontics and things like that. So we can actually and you can tell me a little bit more about this but we can actually influence the growth trajectory of a child's jaw and face correct.

Speaker 2: 32:19

That is correct and you're absolutely right. It can come from simple things like making changes in the home environment, with habits, or it may be some of the therapies that we talked about um to help get the muscles in the right balance. We may then still have to apply apply um mechanical forces through different appliances, but one of the things that I don't want to see happen and if this is one of the biggest takeaways from today from my perspective is don't wait until you have a 12 year old with all of their face. You know a lot of the skull maturation is completed at that point, so let's not wait until they're 12.

Speaker 2: 32:58

If there's something that we need to do to influence better growth early, let's start earlier, and there are different appliances, different expanders, different things that can be used, some with more attunement to kind of the cranial sacral forces in our body and being more gentle to kind of natural forces of the body, and some that are more, some that are needed to be a bit more abrupt, because if growth is is not gone according to plan, we really do have to intervene. One of the biggest things that I always say is the roof of the mouth is the floor of the nose and that ties back into the breathing. So if you're seeing that a child's mouth is not developing properly, that's one of those earliest signs that we can do something now to influence how that child's going to breathe for the rest of their life, by intervening early.

Speaker 1: 33:53

Absolutely, and I'm glad you mentioned the cranial, sacral part of it, because that's something that I've done with all three of my children, so my oldest when he had braces that's when I was just getting into the integrative health space and so when each of my children were done with their orthodontic treatment, excluding my youngest cause he's still in it but I brought them to a craniosacral practitioner and had adjustments done a few times after the appliances were removed and it made a huge difference to be able to make sure that all of the aspects of the skull were in place.

Speaker 2: 34:25

Absolutely. I love, I'm very glad to hear that, and that is the thing is is there's different, there's going to be different treatment approaches that are appropriate for every case and in some cases, if we do have to rely on the some of the forces that are more just, forceful, that that are needed to correct an issue, that we're doing what we can with cranial, sacral or other modalities to really balance that out and make sure that the whole body is remaining as happy, in a peaceful, calm state as possible as we move through all of that. So that's great.

Speaker 1: 35:00

Wonderful and, on that note, we're going to end this on a peaceful state here and I appreciate you sharing your wisdom you know your wisdom and your education and being able to empower people. Where can our listeners find you and how can they connect with you?

Speaker 2: 35:16

Absolutely. Yeah, no, it's always great to talk to someone else who's of a like mind, so I enjoyed being here today. If anyone's listening and they're interested in finding out more, my website is oriswellness, wwworiswellnesscom, and that's probably the easiest way to connect with me. I'm also on Instagram. Through those methods, you can find me through email or send me any messages. So absolutely happy to connect with anyone who's listening.

Speaker 1: 35:45

Excellent and for the listeners that are interested, you're offering a free discovery. Call for them as well on your website.

Speaker 2: 35:52

Absolutely, that's true. So if anyone's just kind of curious, like, is this the right direction for me to explore next, I'm happy to connect with you for free. We'll just chat about what your situation looks like and what my services are and see if I might have the right tool set to be able to help you further.

Speaker 1: 36:09

I'm sure you do so. That's O-R-I-S Oris Wellness. To meet up with Dr Julia and see about her practice, you can connect with her on Instagram and Dr Julia thanks again for being here today.

Speaker 2: 36:19

Thank you, Jeffrey.

Speaker 1: 36:25

Well, what a fascinating discussion with Dr Julia today. If you'd like to learn more about her airway-focused approach or get personalized guidance, she's offering a free discovery call. You can find her at wwworiswellnesscom, that's O-R-I-S, or follow her on Instagram at oriswellness, and stay tuned for the launch of her new Smile Support Program. Thank you so much for your support for joining us today. Don't forget to subscribe and share this episode with somebody who might benefit from it, and with that I'll see you next time. Stay healthy and keep breaking those boundaries. Bye-bye, everybody.